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Re: "There's no such thing as a winnable war."

Mike aka MonolithTMA — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:56:00 -0000

Oh I see that too. It's hard to get some Christians to admit they could be wrong even for the sake of argument!

Yes, that is a Christmas tree behind me. I took that picture years ago amongst a series of pictures to be possibly used with my blog. It's supposed to look contemplative, since at the time I was fascinated by Teresa of Avila and St. John of The Cross.Does it succeed? ;-)

Re: "There's no such thing as a winnable war."

Laughing Boy — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:50:22 -0000

I agree in both cases, but I see a lot of #1 being false.

Is that a Christmas Tree behind you?

Re: "There's no such thing as a winnable war."

Mike aka MonolithTMA — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:33:57 -0000

1. Of course.

2. It depends on the personalities.

Re: "There's no such thing as a winnable war."

Laughing Boy — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:26:09 -0000

OK. A couple of questions.

1) If two people have contrary POV's on an issue on which neither is willing concede, can constructive dialog still be had on THAT issue or ANY subsequent unrelated issue?

2) Does the possibility of further constructive dialog depend more on the issue involved or the people (personalities) involved?

Re: "There's no such thing as a winnable war."

Mike aka MonolithTMA — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:04:51 -0000

I'm sorry, what I'm trying to say is there are things we are not willing to concede on.

Re: "There's no such thing as a winnable war."

Laughing Boy — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:55:27 -0000

I'm not following you, Mike. Are you saying we *should* be willing to concede on unprovable things? Your replies to me and CK seem to be in conflict with each other.

Re: "There's no such thing as a winnable war."

Mike aka MonolithTMA — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:37:59 -0000

Hi Anton,

Thanks! I'd be curious to read more.

is this your site? http://www.withoutgods.net/...

Re: "There's no such thing as a winnable war."

anton kozlik — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:05:53 -0000

If I could, I would like to introduce you to my "SUPERGOD", featured in my "tongue in cheek" challenge to come up with solutions to save our world from destruction. Try it! You might like it!

Re: "There's no such thing as a winnable war."

Mike aka MonolithTMA — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:27:50 -0000

Things that we "know" to be right, usually also unprovable. I will not concede that homosexuality is sin, I would not expect them to concede to my position.

Re: "There's no such thing as a winnable war."

Cyberkitten — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:09:00 -0000

Such as?

Re: "There's no such thing as a winnable war."

Mike aka MonolithTMA — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:26:32 -0000

The issues I refer to are generally things that are unprovable. Yes, there are issues that we both should not concede on.

Re: "There's no such thing as a winnable war."

Laughing Boy — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:17:18 -0000

Good thoughts as always, Mike.

You say that liberal Christians are more "flexible and accepting, and willing to concede on certain issues" and imply that that quality is what makes them more engaging than the "unbending fundamentalist". While I agree up to a point, I think it's important to see that "conceding on certain issues" can't be a basic requirement for open and constructive dialog. There has to be a way to *not* concede and still have open, constructive (and enjoyable) conversation, don't you think?

Re: "There's no such thing as a winnable war."

Mike aka MonolithTMA — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 06:27:10 -0000

You are quite welcome and thank you! :-)

Re: "There's no such thing as a winnable war."

Mike aka MonolithTMA — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 06:26:44 -0000

Indeed!

Re: "There's no such thing as a winnable war."

FrScott — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 23:06:40 -0000

I'm so glad you have started posting again. Thanks.

Re: "There's no such thing as a winnable war."

Cyberkitten — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:56:47 -0000

Seek the Truth though the Heavens fall.....

Re: "There's no such thing as a winnable war."

Dad — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:32:11 -0000

For myself, I sure don't:-)